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Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:26 PM
CP... firstly, :hammer: :angry:

Your advice given over at this NPSS thread (http://www.naturephotosociety.org.sg/dcforum/DCForumID9/748.html)is wrong. For one thing, it's Ciliate Blue and not Cilitate Blue (note spelling).

Worse still, it actually isn't a Ciliate Blue at all! The poor tattered butt shot by that chap is actually Anthene lycaenina miya. Note the costal spot on the hindwing which is clearly seen in both the photos.

Please correct the inaccurate advice hor? Otherwise spoil B-Pals reputation man...

Falcon
26-Apr-2005, 05:29 PM
:bsmile: It is only human to err.

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:30 PM
:bsmile: It is only human to err.
Right... and there's still a chance to correct the error.

Elbowed Pierrot
26-Apr-2005, 05:30 PM
LOL.... now khew goes around audit our replies..

safest reply... "Its a butterfly" :bsmile:

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:34 PM
LOL.... now khew goes around audit our replies..

safest reply... "Its a butterfly" :bsmile:
Alamak! It's not that I don't make mistakes in ID too leh... just that we want to preserve B-Pals reputation as being the 'experts', so if there is incorrect information given by an 'expert' better set it right by correcting it. Otherwise we won't be taken seriously in future.

Birdwing
26-Apr-2005, 05:37 PM
LOL.... now khew goes around audit our replies..

safest reply... "Its a butterfly" :bsmile:Agree with ya, think its best to leave butt ID on external forums to the experts... :sweat:

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:40 PM
Agree with ya, think its best to leave butt ID on external forums to the experts... :sweat:
Not that bad lah... I'm sure most of you can ID the more common and bigger butts quite easily. Like that Knight taken at Ubin over at CS. Simon could easily ID it and mentioned that it was a male somemore.... impressive... :bsmile:

Elbowed Pierrot
26-Apr-2005, 05:43 PM
you suan me har

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:43 PM
you suan me har
Where got suan lar... ID correctly how to suan? ;P

Elbowed Pierrot
26-Apr-2005, 05:44 PM
i think next time must ask khew to counter check before we reply :p

Birdwing
26-Apr-2005, 05:45 PM
Where got suan lar... ID correctly how to suan? ;PSimon fast becoming a butt ID expert liow...next time when in doubt, and the masters are not around, who do you call? Simon! :bsmile:

Common Mime
26-Apr-2005, 05:51 PM
Not that bad lah... I'm sure most of you can ID the more common and bigger butts quite easily. Like that Knight taken at Ubin over at CS. Simon could easily ID it and mentioned that it was a male somemore.... impressive... :bsmile:
Ya lor, Simon the Pro! I remmeber he said the male has white at the tip somemore! Good lesson learn. :thumbsup:

Elbowed Pierrot
26-Apr-2005, 05:54 PM
Simon fast becoming a butt ID expert liow...next time when in doubt, and the masters are not around, who do you call? Simon! :bsmile:

dun call me hor, dun want extra responsible.. skali wrong, khew will scold. Plus I dun like to read ;P surely make alot of mistakes :bsmile:

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 05:56 PM
dun call me hor, dun want extra responsible.. skali wrong, khew will scold
Won't scold lah.... just :hammer: only... :bsmile:

Elbowed Pierrot
26-Apr-2005, 06:06 PM
answer wrongly kenna rotan

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 06:53 PM
done. i need to shoot a lot of these blues to prac!
Thanks. For the Lycaenids and Hesperiids, it's best not to be too hasty in ID'ing it, as even with C&P4 in front of us, there is still some difficulty in confirming the IDs of some of these lookalike species.

In the NPS case, it's more obvious cos of A. lycaenina's distinguishing feature. If it had been another Nacaduba or Jamides, I would have just said that it's a Lycaenid and stop there... ;P

Common Rose
26-Apr-2005, 10:52 PM
Wah... this must be deemed to be a very serious case by the master that he has to put it openly ... :sweat:

Sky Blue
26-Apr-2005, 10:56 PM
answer wrongly kenna rotan
hammer only lah :bsmile:

Commander
26-Apr-2005, 11:08 PM
Wah... this must be deemed to be a very serious case by the master that he has to put it openly ... :sweat:
Just a reminder to all Pioneer B-Pals (and one Power Member) that offering ID advice in other websites should be done responsibly and accurately. Especially in "pro" websites like NPSS. Otherwise our credibility as 'butt experts' will be in question if some other specialist around challenges our ID.

But it's not such a serious case lah... we live and learn as well, and CP's already corrected it over at NPSS. :-)

Green Baron
26-Apr-2005, 11:50 PM
Just a reminder to all Pioneer B-Pals (and one Power Member) that offering ID advice in other websites should be done responsibly and accurately. Especially in "pro" websites like NPSS. Otherwise our credibility as 'butt experts' will be in question if some other specialist around challenges our ID.

But it's not such a serious case lah... we live and learn as well, and CP's already corrected it over at NPSS. :-)I think it is great that you guys are getting better at Id and offering help in other forums. The big butts - Papilionidae, Pieridae and Nympahlidae can usually be Id quite accurately but some of the look-alikes Lycaenidae and Hesperiidae are a bit tough. Like Khew said, for the Jamides/Prosotas/Nacaduba/Brown and orange skippers, if you are not sure just provide the family or genus name.
That is why we still have folders full of those #*% UFO skippers and Lycaenids :prrr: