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Peacock Royal
10-Nov-2004, 06:57 PM
Tried out my new heavy (compared to Z1) toy at TPTP this afternoon. Forgot to bring external flash.

#1a : Autumn Leaf
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/82501.jpg

1b
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/82502.jpg

Both : ISO 250, 1/60 sec, f/16

#2 : Peacock Flower
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/82503.jpg
ISO 250, 1/125, f/11

So used to shoot at close range with my Z1, now with D100 I cannot focus at close range.

Please comment.
BTW, spotted many AL's cats.

Birdwing
10-Nov-2004, 07:18 PM
Congrats on your new toy!!! :cheers: BTW, which lens were you using? Good attempts for a first timer to DSLR there. 1st and especially the 3rd pic are pretty sharp, and well exposed too, especially the whites on the flower in the 1st pic. 2nd pic suffers a bit from blur probably due to motion shake/slow shutter.

Do keep shooting, I'm sure u'll get the hang of ur new toy in no time. :-) One tip: Practice lots!

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 07:21 PM
Hmm... at least the exposure seems right. The lens that I sold you is not meant to be a macro lens, hence it cannot focus close. You'll still need to get a proper macro lens. ;-)

Common Rose
10-Nov-2004, 08:05 PM
Congrats on your new toy!

Be careful of the Buy Buy Buy flu. :-)

Common Mime
10-Nov-2004, 08:11 PM
New toy! New toy! New toy!

Shoot shoot shoot! :shoot1:

megaweb
10-Nov-2004, 08:14 PM
now u got to use to heavier setup :prrr:

too many distacting in the background, otherwise :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Elbowed Pierrot
10-Nov-2004, 08:35 PM
see u already playing with your new toy :bsmile: enjoying? which lens did khew gave you?

The Monarch
10-Nov-2004, 09:00 PM
OH. So YOU bought the D100 ah. I was wondering who.... :bsmile:

Falcon
10-Nov-2004, 09:26 PM
Congrats. :cheers: Time for a dedicated macro lens for your new tool. :)

Green Baron
10-Nov-2004, 09:44 PM
Tried out my new heavy (compared to Z1) toy at TPTP this afternoon. Forgot to bring external flash.See that you have upgraded to DSLR :cheers: and even got a new camera bag ! :thumbsup:

I assume you bought it from Khew and Khew upgraded to D70 ?

airforce1
10-Nov-2004, 10:26 PM
Yes I notice Khew using D70 and was wondering when his D100 for sale.
Congrats on your new toy.

abdul

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 10:42 PM
OH. So YOU bought the D100 ah. I was wondering who.... :bsmile:

Only 2 of the regulars here who use prosumer digicams. It's either him or Neo... ;P

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 10:44 PM
Congrats. :cheers: Time for a dedicated macro lens for your new tool. :)

Yup, he definitely needs one. The 28-80mm Nikkor that I sold him won't do the job... So we'll have to look out for CS's B&S forum for good-priced macro lenses and sound Federick out...

Common Rose
10-Nov-2004, 11:05 PM
Was reading the HK book. It said, "A 100mm-macro lens with f2.8 aperture value is most suitable for close-up photography. ... If one wishes to obtain the macro effect without getting too close to the subject butterfly, options are either to use a 200mm macro lens, or use a 2x tele-converter with the 100mm macro lens."

Elbowed Pierrot
10-Nov-2004, 11:12 PM
Was reading the HK book. It said, "A 100mm-macro lens with f2.8 aperture value is most suitable for close-up photography. ... If one wishes to obtain the macro effect without getting too close to the subject butterfly, options are either to use a 200mm macro lens, or use a 2x tele-converter with the 100mm macro lens."

the focusing distance for the 90/100/105 is roughly 12cm? for a 1:1 shot, yes, you can crop down and you do not require faster shutter speed like the 180mm, weight is also easier on the user.. problem is getting close to the subject. Adding TC will lose sharpness and lose of 1 stop for 1.4x and 2 stops for 2x

but i still prefers the working distance of the 180mm, though heavier.. after a while, you wun notice it ;P after mounting on a monopod :bsmile:

if budget aint a problem, go for a used 180mm

Common Rose
10-Nov-2004, 11:16 PM
The book is talking about slr. For dslr, I think that will translate to 160-180mm?

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 11:23 PM
The book is talking about slr. For dslr, I think that will translate to 160-180mm?

Whilst the field of view may translate into the 1.5x or 1.6x crop factor, the lens essentially still behaves like the original focal length. So if a 180mm lens becomes a 270mm lens on a DSLR, the handholding speed can still remain at 1/180s via the reciprocal f-length rule of thumb for the shutter speed.

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 11:25 PM
the focusing distance for the 90/100/105 is roughly 12cm? for a 1:1 shot, yes, you can crop down and you do not require faster shutter speed like the 180mm, weight is also easier on the user.. problem is getting close to the subject. Adding TC will lose sharpness and lose of 1 stop for 1.4x and 2 stops for 2x

but i still prefers the working distance of the 180mm, though heavier.. after a while, you wun notice it ;P after mounting on a monopod :bsmile:

if budget aint a problem, go for a used 180mm

And for users like me who depend mainly on AF, putting the TC on will make the AF really slow... So theoretically, whilst the TC can improve the focal length of the lens, sharpness and focus accuracy is reduced.

Peacock Royal
10-Nov-2004, 11:43 PM
now u got to use to heavier setup :prrr:
too many distacting in the background, otherwise :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I was trying many shots on the flower using different apertures, but just could not get a clean background shot with sharp image.

Thanks guys for your advice and info. Yes, must definitely need a macro lens. But weight is again a major consideration as I like to trek (now cannot jog) and shoot at the same time. How about 105 mm macro lens with a tele-converter ?

Commander
10-Nov-2004, 11:45 PM
I assume you bought it from Khew and Khew upgraded to D70 ?

I'm not sure if you can call it an upgrade. The D100 is an all-metal DSLR compared with the D70's polycarbonate body. Hence the D100 can take a lot more abuse than the D70 can.

There are some features in the D100 that the D70 does not have, but these are mainly features which I seldom use. One added point is that the D70 does not have a dedicated grip which is quite essential for many photographers. But I'm not one of them. ;P Simon and Jason swear by the vertical grip.

Cycad Blue
10-Nov-2004, 11:58 PM
whoa Federick, congrats on acquiring your new toy!!!!! :yeh-yeh:

bell
11-Nov-2004, 12:10 AM
congratz Federick! :jumjoy:

Falcon
11-Nov-2004, 08:35 AM
I was trying many shots on the flower using different apertures, but just could not get a clean background shot with sharp image.

Thanks guys for your advice and info. Yes, must definitely need a macro lens. But weight is again a major consideration as I like to trek (now cannot jog) and shoot at the same time. How about 105 mm macro lens with a tele-converter ?

Get the sigma 105mm + 1.4 TC. Sgt Pepper had outstanding results when he was using it. :-)

Falcon
11-Nov-2004, 08:38 AM
I'm not sure if you can call it an upgrade. The D100 is an all-metal DSLR compared with the D70's polycarbonate body. Hence the D100 can take a lot more abuse than the D70 can.

There are some features in the D100 that the D70 does not have, but these are mainly features which I seldom use. One added point is that the D70 does not have a dedicated grip which is quite essential for many photographers. But I'm not one of them. ;P Simon and Jason swear by the vertical grip.

I am another guy who doesn't care much abt vertical grip. :cheers:

Btw, why the downgrade/upgrade to D70? I think the mirror lockup feature can be quite handy at times.

megaweb
11-Nov-2004, 09:19 AM
selecting lens is always need to concern the budget ... what is yours ?

Green Baron
11-Nov-2004, 09:51 AM
I'm not sure if you can call it an upgrade. The D100 is an all-metal DSLR compared with the D70's polycarbonate body. Hence the D100 can take a lot more abuse than the D70 can. So it is a sidegrade then ;-)

I thought you are supposed to be in Penang by now :hmmm:

Commander
11-Nov-2004, 09:54 AM
I thought you are supposed to be in Penang by now :hmmm:

Had to reshuffle some travelling plans due to this week's visit by some Clients, and my business trip to India some time soon - either next weekend or the end of the month, pending confirmation from the other side.

Commander
11-Nov-2004, 09:56 AM
I am another guy who doesn't care much abt vertical grip. :cheers:

Btw, why the downgrade/upgrade to D70? I think the mirror lockup feature can be quite handy at times.

Erm... which mirror lockup feature? :embrass: The only one that I know of in the D70 is primarily for cleaning the CCD only. You mean can use that to shoot as well?

Green Baron
11-Nov-2004, 09:59 AM
the focusing distance for the 90/100/105 is roughly 12cm? for a 1:1 shot, yes, you can crop down and you do not require faster shutter speed like the 180mm, weight is also easier on the user.. problem is getting close to the subject. Adding TC will lose sharpness and lose of 1 stop for 1.4x and 2 stops for 2x

but i still prefers the working distance of the 180mm, though heavier.. after a while, you wun notice it ;P after mounting on a monopod :bsmile:

if budget aint a problem, go for a used 180mm
After using the Sigma 105mm, I don't think distance is an issue for people who switched from Digicam to DSLR. The main difference btw 180mm and 100mm is the bokeh. The downside with 180mm is that you need to shoot at higher speed and the lens is 1 f stop less. This is not an issue if you use flash.


Thanks guys for your advice and info. Yes, must definitely need a macro lens. But weight is again a major consideration as I like to trek (now cannot jog) and shoot at the same time. How about 105 mm macro lens with a tele-converter ?If you are going trekking, then DLSR is not the right cam to bring. It is too bulky and heavy after you add in the 105mm and flash. Suggest you bring your Minolta when you go trekking and DSLR and you go shooting !

Elbowed Pierrot
11-Nov-2004, 04:43 PM
After using the Sigma 105mm, I don't think distance is an issue for people who switched from Digicam to DSLR. The main difference btw 180mm and 100mm is the bokeh. The downside with 180mm is that you need to shoot at higher speed and the lens is 1 f stop less. This is not an issue if you use flash.

If you are going trekking, then DLSR is not the right cam to bring. It is too bulky and heavy after you add in the 105mm and flash. Suggest you bring your Minolta when you go trekking and DSLR and you go shooting !

actually, the 1 stop less should not be a concern since 'we' shoot at f8 or higher

Peacock Royal
11-Nov-2004, 06:31 PM
selecting lens is always need to concern the budget ... what is yours ?

About $500. So 180mm is not for me for the moment.


Get the sigma 105mm + 1.4 TC. Sgt Pepper had outstanding results when he was using it.

Thanks for the info.

Falcon
12-Nov-2004, 08:39 AM
Erm... which mirror lockup feature? :embrass: The only one that I know of in the D70 is primarily for cleaning the CCD only. You mean can use that to shoot as well?

Nope. Just curious, why are giving up this rather useful feature of D100 for D70.. The only advantages I can think of that D70 have over D100 are the weight and flash sync. :-)

Commander
12-Nov-2004, 08:44 AM
Nope. Just curious, why are giving up this rather useful feature of D100 for D70.. The only advantages I can think of that D70 have over D100 are the weight and flash sync. :-)

Actually, the D100 does not have mirror lock up. It just has an "anti-noise" feature for very low speeds. Same feature available on D70.

airforce1
13-Nov-2004, 12:14 AM
Federick you can get sigma 180mm F2.8 macro at $550. PM me if you are keen, I will tell you where to get this good bargains.

abdul

Commander
13-Nov-2004, 12:15 AM
Federick you can get sigma 180mm F2.8 macro at $550. PM me if you are keen, I will tell you where to get this good bargains.

abdul

180mm f2.8??? :what:

airforce1
13-Nov-2004, 12:19 AM
oops?? typo error. F3.5. :sweat:

Elbowed Pierrot
13-Nov-2004, 12:31 AM
oops?? typo error. F3.5. :sweat:

good deal, isit from you? :bsmile:

Green Baron
13-Nov-2004, 12:42 AM
180mm f2.8??? :what:I also want ...:bsmile:

Cruiser
13-Nov-2004, 12:44 AM
I also want ...:bsmile:

you want a Nikon munt lens :what:

Commander
13-Nov-2004, 09:29 PM
good deal, isit from you? :bsmile:

Abdul uses a Tamron 180mm, I believe...

airforce1
13-Nov-2004, 10:21 PM
Correct I am using Tamron 180mm.

The lenses I saw it at TCW, Good prices for Tamron 90mm and the Sigma 180mm. Hope this help.

Peacock Royal
13-Nov-2004, 10:29 PM
Correct I am using Tamron 180mm.
The lenses I saw it at TCW, Good prices for Tamron 90mm and the Sigma 180mm. Hope this help.

Sorry Abdul, what and where is TCW ? Don't mind enlightening me.

airforce1
13-Nov-2004, 10:33 PM
The Camera Workshop at Peninsula behind spinelli coffee house. Shop deals with new camera and trade-in deals. Quite a number of macro lenses on sale.( 2nd Hand )

abdul.

Peacock Royal
13-Nov-2004, 10:34 PM
The Camera Workshop at Peninsula behind spinelli coffee house. Shop deals with new camera and trade-in deals. Quite a number of macro lenses on sale.( 2nd Hand )
abdul.

thanks alot, useful info for a very new DSLR beginner.